Indian Affairs Minister Speaks on Chief Salaries
Following recent revelations by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation showing the high pay of some native chiefs in Canada, Indian Affairs Minister Chuck Strahl encouraged band members to respond accordingly in the next band elections.
The CTF is trying to facilitate the exposure of such salaries at www.reservetransparency.ca.
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Here is why the outrageous
Here is why the outrageous salaries continue to exist. Natives don't vote even in their reserve elections. Example Six Nations over 10 thousand registered voters, 1004 bothered to cast ballots.
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Here is why the outrageous
Native Chiefs Salaries
It's time to scrap the Treaty One and any other Treaties. They surely were not meant to be abused they way they have been!! They Native Chiefs can thank themselves for the destruction of the Cash Cow they have milked from the Canadian Taxpayers for years and years. They live like Arab Sheiks and let the average native live in fear of them and despair. Then they have the audacity to blame the Canadian Taxpayer and call on the United Nations to save their sorry asses, when all the time they are to blame.
My dad taught me at an early age "Give a boy a fish and he'll eat for a day; but, Teach a boy to fish and he'll eat for a life time." Once my dad caught me smoking, I was 16 at the time, in school and living at home. My dad didn't get angry, but his answer to this was "My dad didn't buy my cigarettes and I sure as won't buy yours, so if you want to smoke you had best get yourself a good job. That was the end of my allowance!! I soon got a job while continuing school. That was another good lesson my dad taught me.
It is time for the Natives to stop feeling sorry for themselves and start contributing to society. As for the chiefs, they must be held accountable for stealing from their people!
It is time for the Canadian Taxpayers to wake up and say No for a change. We simply can not afford to keep "Giving the boy a fish. It's time to Teach the boy how to fish"
To tell the truth I am disappointed when I read the comment from Chuck Strahl stating in essence the Government can not do anything about this!! Maybe it's time for him to go as well.
Thomas
contributing to society
I've worked my entire life, since I was 17 and payed income tax. How can you say I am not contributing to society.
Casinos, rcmp, corporations, banks, INAC and AFN.
Deep Pockets = Deep Corruption
Tobique First Nation is aproximately $42 MILLION in net debt. RCMP have been investigating for more than a decade. Decades of evidence have went into the black hole because nobody has been charged. Even with substantial evidence, last I heard, the council voted not to go ahead with charges. The same people who put us in this mess. The chief and council are the directors of the casinos, corporations and sit on the boards where they receive even more dollars. We must always remeber also that the banks want some too and will not give us information concerning our monies and funding. They protect their interests who are the chief and councils funded by the canadian government. Always remeber that canada holds the purse strings!
Way back in 2003 there were over 300 allegations of corruption, nepotism or mismanagement by band councils reported to INAC! And of all parties involved it was the AFN that pointed this out. Imagine if you ran for PM and all of the mayors voted you in while the citizens are left on the sideline. Thats the AFN.
My name is Loretta Burnstick
My name is Loretta Burnstick and I am a Band Member from the Alexander First Nation. I am currently in the process of trying to push for more accountability from our leadership. The misuse of funds is despicable considering the poverty experienced by many in my community. At times I feel like giving up but I am reminded of the poverty and pain and suffering I experienced growing up on a reserve. Those reminders stare me in the face everytime I drive through my community and I see the living conditions of so many that are still poor in my community. The issues are many in trying to deal with the problem and it seems like so many in my community have given up in voicing their concerns. Fortunately I am a big mouth! ( I say that humorously) and I cannot for the life of me, keep my mouth shut on the lack of accountabilty and misuse of dollars that could be invested in my community.
I cannot comprehend how some Chiefs and Councils can sleep at night knowing that they spend thousands of dollars on themselves while their cousins, nieces, nephews, grandchildren, etc, are living in poor housing conditions, have no jobs, no transportation to get to an outside job even if they wanted to work, poor education and no training programs and the list goes on and on. The only answer I can come up with is that leadership that allows this to happen and knowingly contributes to this are greedy, selfish, uncompassionate, lack in traditional spirit and are just bad people all the way around. I cannot come up with another explanation for their behaviour, considering the fact that many of them experienced all the same things our people are still facing today and they still continue to steal band funds that could be used for many other things that benefit a community. It starts at the top and trickles down. If you have leadership that is corrupt and does nothing to stop it, then staff, and whoever else gets caught up in the web of deceit keep that circle growing. Very difficult circle to break!
For those of you who are trying your hardest to get change in your community, pray alot and do not give up. There are many people like me who support you in what you are trying to accomplish as we too are working on some of the very same issues. The more we voice our concerns to anyone who will listen, the more we put pressure on those who are corrupt to either shape up or they will be shipped out! May the Creator guide you in your struggles and on behalf of all the poor people in our territories, I personally thank you for your efforts and your determination in trying to help our people!
accountability
From the communities I have lived in (3) I find nepotism is rank to the extent of fraud without accountability. The amazement is the government seems to have no involvement or issue with this . That says something about our government , their policies and perhaps their own honesty.
Chiefs Salaries
When tax payers hear of the huge salaries paid to native chiefs and council members, they forget that the amounts are tax free. The article in the newspaper said that the chief of Peguis got over $200k and that gives it a value of over $300k. The reservation has a couple of thousand residents. Now imagine how underpaid our leaders are. This is just one example of mis-use of tax-payers monies. If we created a list of all the examples, we would be sick to our stomachs, and yet they feel that we should be quiet and keep on paying. There has to be a better solution, like sitting down and bargaining just like it is done with unions and we should not be afraid of saying no to the ridiculous demands. All the crooks are not in Ottawa. Lets treat all Canadians the same!
Time to get rid of the whole system.
Yes, time to say "Welcome to Canada!" and get rid of the reserves and everything they stand for across our nation. You could finally hold your heads high and say "Yes! I am a contributing member of society!" That's right, no more reserves, no more native status, no more hand outs. Get a job, pay taxes like the rest of us, stand up proudly and exclaim "I am Canadian and I'm glad to be here."
Reading your post I have to
Reading your post I have to assume that you believe every FN person living on a reserve does not contribute to society, lives off hand outs, doesn't work, and should hang their heads in shame. That also implies you are a lazy thinker. You really need to educate yourself about the realities of FN people and the communities they live in. Ignorance is no excuse for the propagation of untruths and horrible stereotypes.
Welcome to canada
I was raised to love this country and I do. My parents served in WWII. I pay taxes. I have had jobs were I haven't paid taxes and I have had jobs where I do not. I have always contributed to this country, school board, parish council, volunteer work. I have never received welfare, always worked. I have a job. I spend my money first on food, shelter and my grandchildren. I was born a canadian and have always been grateful to live in this country. I love my reserve and the people resident here. My father taught me to hold my head high always. God created me what I am, Native. I will die in this skin and I will render an accounting of my life to the Lord. I do not like the corruption rampant on so many reserves and in the hearts of so many chiefs and councils. I have worked to better this situation, why do you say I must do all these things.
Scrap the system!
I agree. It's 2010 now. I could understand years ago that this was needed to help the native people adapt. Now, however, they are born into the same comunitee that non natives are. My kids are 4th generation Canadian. As far as I am concerned they are as native as my buddy who live on a reserve and has blond hair and an indian status card.
As far as hunting and fishing. I believe they should follow the laws that the MNR or whatever ministry is operating in the province. These guidlines are put in place to maintain, protect and manage the wild life and resource that they provide. I say if you want to hunt anywhere, anytime, anything, like your great grand daddy did,,,, then you can... long as you make the bow, make the bow string, make the arrow, make the arrow head, make the net... etc. Soon as you use one thing that your great grand daddy didn't have ( boots, coat, hat, binocs, gun ) anything that was provided by the "white man";...then you follow the white mans laws. Period.
I have seen the "native people" destroy fish populations in Bellville's Bay of Quinte, the Kawartha's Burleigh falls, and others. The forefathers of these "native" people would hang their head in shame at the way the natural resource of fish and game is raped and desimated by these who claim to be aboriginals.
Time to scrap the system. Were all Canadians. We all contribute. We all benefit.
Anonymous Taxpayer
Why are taxpayers footing the bill for this anyway. Indians don't pay taxes so why should they get all of the benefits from the taxes that get paid by the rest of us?? Makes no sense to me. How unfair and no wonder our country has huge debts. Maybe the Indians can pay their cheifs and council members from all their own money that they don't pay in taxes or they could pay taxes like the rest of us!!
I pay taxes
I live on reserve and pay taxes 30% of my wages go to income tax. I pay provincial tax on all my purchases, except for children's clothing and gst.
Waste of tax money on Native Chiefs and band councillors
This waste is exacerbated by the vast amount of money INAC spends on the administraters, who spend some 85% of $10 billion on the delivery system. When one takes into account, exorbitant salary for chiefs, band councillors and lawyers, then the out of control bureaucracy using the delivery system for their own benefit, you can see why the "rank and file" native, gets a very small portion of the pittance that is left.
Chiefs Salaries
Who sets the chiefs salaries anyway, and who controls the elections of the chiefs? If the system is corrupt as the comments above on May 7th, 10th, and 13th claim, then maybe the Canadian Government and the RCMP ( or our army if they were back here instead of dying in Afganistan) need to step in, and stop the flow of money, and control the elections to ensure that they are fully democratic, which may stop the vote buying, and nepotism! Seems to me our native people need help, and throwing tax dollars at them with no oversite or accountability to the "Canadian Taxpayer" though our goverment officials is not working. It just a waste of our hard earned money!
Besides, if the aboriginal population wants to be seperate, from Canada, maybe the rest of us should not be sending them our tax dollars at all.
anomalies
Get me some of those fed anomalies, whew, millions to bands and they still have unpalatable living conditions , glue sniffers, deadend attitudes amongst the ordinaries but the cheif lives wherever she/he can pay--- could be London ,uk or Paris.
Cheeck out the ermine band in Alberta the Cheif lives where?
I thought INAC was responsible to give information - if asked ??
I am a band member from Misipawistik Cree Nation, i was one of the people responsible in trying to seek information on our bands finances. I know that there is allot of money recently recieved from INAC and the Province of Manitoba to assist in 'suppossed' projects, which disappeared !!! No jobs, no businesses, no buildings/sites - nothing. And when i tried to expose this all to INAC, they just ignored it all, "we are investigating this, and we will let you know what is going on, in the next stage of our investigation." - which basically means nothing is being done. Two years, i havew been trying to get this out to the people here in my community, 1 1/2 to INAC, and no one wants to look at this.
I even asked for the documents from INAC, would they send the documents, as required by law - NO !!! I need help, i need a lawyer to help accquire these documents to expose this thieft from our band memebers, and essentially, the Canadian Goverment and the Canadian people.
Don't Give up.
Hi there
Sorry I am not a lawyer but have you tried going to your nearest university? The University of BC has an outreach program where young grad students are available to confer in confidence. Of course they have a professor as an advisor.
I checked out the U of Manitoba 'site and i found this link. http://robsonhall.ca/probono/ the graduate lawyers take on pro bono work for organizations. But I feel sure that they can point you in the right direction and hopefully give you some hope for your cause.
good luck
t.
exposing chief's salaries and other expenses...
To: an Anonymous Taxpayer..
Good for you for taking an interest in your band's finances. You are probably one in a million. Strahl (Minister of Indian Affairs) certainly cannot be considered a watchdog for government expenses because trying to get financial info out of his office is like trying to pull hens' teeth.
Aboriginal Taxpayer
"... respond accordingly in the next band elections."
Obviously that does'nt work! because if it did, we would not be talking about this here or anywhere.
How can you when nepotism and favoritism is all they know and where vote buying & rigged elections are the norm.
RESPOND ACCORDINGLY
Truer words were never spoken. The politicians have all the access to the money to distribute as they wish. People live in fear because they are dependent upon the chief and council for welfare payments, jobs, emergency assistance etc. Indian affairs off loaded dysfunctional systems under the guise of self government and now make comments like Chuckie. Chief's and councils take advantage of the fact that most band members cannot read a financial statement or audit report. I do not think simple answers are the solution. However, I think organizations like taxpayers raising the issue provide the opportunity for band members and taxpayers to form strategic alliances to stop the corruption. INAC has abandoned its responsibility, many chiefs and councils are corrupted by the easy access to money and absolute power they wield.
"... respond accordingly in the next band elections."
Right on, bro. Ain't democracy great! A system designed by the politicians for the politicians.
And with built-in safeguards to prevent it ever being changed. We're screwed.
Vote buying and rigged
Vote buying and rigged elections are the way a majority of our chief and council members get on council. For example, the out-of-town ballots were opened a head of time behind closed doors...now if that's not rigged, I don't know what is?!!!
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