FED: No OAS and GIS for Convicts
With revelations convicted criminals like serial-killer Clifford Olson, who are over the age of 65 and reside in federal and provincial jails, are currently eligible to collect Old Age Security (OAS) and Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS) payments from the Canadian government, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation launched a petition drive and facebook group calling for an end to the practice. Citizens are outraged at the current policy, as shown by a Global BC report on this petition and by a national EKOS poll.
>>SIGN PETITION TO END OAS AND GIS TO CONVICTS
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UPDATE
On April 26th, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation continued its efforts to end the injustice of paying Old Age Security (OAS) and Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS) benefits to prisoners, including the likes of Clifford Olson.
Federal Director Kevin Gaudet and National Research Director Derek Fildebrandt delivered over 46,000 names on the petition to Parliament Hill and Human Resources Minister Diane Finley. On behalf of the Harper government Human Resources Minister Diane Finley accepted the petitions. The Minister says the government intends to take action on the demands of the petitioners in the coming weeks.
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Juicy headlines - lousy policy - probably no savings
It would appear that the CTF is desperate for publicity, more interested in generating headlines than in promoting sensible policy for taxpayers. And what better way to do so than to take an idea and make the oh so visceral link to that Canadian poster boy of evil: Clifford Robert Olson. Because who in their right mind would argue for giving OAS to Mr. Olson? What better way to avoid close scrutiny of a stupid idea. The first point to be made is that the majority of inmates are not Clifford Robert Olson or Paul Bernardo clones. So let's not run amok thinking of policy solutions based on extreme cases and the emotions they generate. One question people should ask is what is the actual impact of denying all criminals OAS? Well, there are about 350 offenders in federal prison who are over 65. That's it (I will exclude provincial offenders who serve extremely short sentences (weeks.. not years) and are mostly under 65). Furthermore, what about the dependants some of them have? What would be the impact of such a policy on them? For the most part criminals and their families occupy the very bottom of the economic rungs of society and is it sensible to victimize the families of these offenders in our rush to be vindictive? Prison is usually a temporary state and some of these offenders have ongoing obligations that may not be forgiven because they are in prison: for example, financial debts such as mortgages. And most of these offenders will be released to the community sooner or later on parole or day parole. Should these benefits continue to be withheld? And what would this do to their chance of successfully staying out of trouble? And what about the folk who successfully appeal their conviction? Should they get all of their OAS back with interest? Not to mention the additional costs of administering an exceptional system of inclusions and exclusions which will probably have a system of appeals. And I would argue that at the end of it all, very few people will be excluded from receiving OAS, but at a substantial increase in cost to administer this program and probably divert costs from the OAS system to the social welfare system. All for the feel good emotions that get produced by knowing we have taken our pound of flesh from those who are, for the most part, marginalized and indigent people. The CTF is being disingenuous in its approach to this issue, trying to capitalize on emotions without being clear on the potential negative impact or even practicality of their suggestion (assuming they looked past the headlines and soundbites). I, as a taxpayer, am unimpressed. And while I don't think that Clifford Robert Olson should get OAS the solution being promoted risks being even more morally compromised.
500+ prisoners over 65, $7 million taxpayer savings
The best figures the CTF could acquire suggested 500 to 700 prisoners annually receive OAS and GIS each year. We would like those benefits banned for ALL who are incarcerated. This would be straightforward, have no compliance cost, and save at least $7 million tax dollars per year. As well, we would like such benefits previously paid to prisoners clawed back, which would retrieve additional millions of dollars.
Re prisoners getting OAS & GiS
I think it's despictable that convicted killers are getting 1200 dollars a month in jail, when everything they need and want is already paid for by us the Taxpayer.
ONLY IN CANADA, EH
This is such an afront to the taxpapers of Canada. Yeah, our government isn't doing everything right but THIS???
Did you know they also pay Disability Pension to ex-convicts who are deported from Canada if they feel there
is cause? Even if the injury or disability was caused by the person's own negligence? Don't ask me about rights of convicts. Believe me, I am the LAST ONE you want to ask about that
All prisoners should pay for
All prisoners should pay for the cost of their prison term, the pension may consider as part of their payment. The outstanding balance should be taking from their personal banking account.
FED: No OAS and GIS for Convicts
Do I have an issue with this, your dame right, firstly we are paying for mass murders on a daily, monthly, yearly basic for their incarceration which is costing taxpayers more then people on minimum wage, more then what law abiding seniors get on a monthly pension, more then someone on disability, what to watch TV, go to the gym and get an education, BULL. I’m sorry but I’m tired of my tax money going to a wasted person of society. If the facts have proven without a doubt in a court of law that these or any persons have done what Mr. Olsen, Mr. Bernardo, Mr. Pickton, etc have done. Note etc because we still have a lot of etc’s in prison also. Guess what a rope is a lot cheaper. And that pension money can go back to the abiding citizens.
An anonymous Canadian
Only in Canada would a Conservative lobby group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Taxpayers_Federation#Links_to_conservative_political_parties) feel the need to cloak itself as a "citizen taxpayer advocacy group", espouse policies supporting such fiscally questionable initiatives as a war on crime during a period in which crime rates are plummeting, and claim that programs that have been in place forever are "relevations"; all while trashing their $7 million cost, yet totally ignoring the elephant in the room in the guise of a Conservative stimulus program that has produced negligible results (according to another Conversative thinktank) while adding $53 billion to the national deficit.
Nice work...don't quit your day jobs kids.
Not true
We have hammered deficit spending ever since it made its ugly return to the federal government. In fact, we were instrumental in stopping it in 1997 in the first place. At all times what we do is about three things: lower taxes, less waste, and more accountable government.
Not true.
But you didn't deny being associated with the Conservative Party. Is this true? If so, this ruins your credibility in the eyes of the average Canadian. Be supportive, if you want, but not associated. Complete Non-partisanship is what's required here. How can I trust anything coming from CTF without thinking that it's not just the "puppet master" on parliament hill speaking through yet another "feel good" program actually designed to distract Canadians while they sqander more of our money overpaying officials and paying off coporate contributors etc.
It's like two teenage movie stars that fight in public in order to boost their own publicity but in fact, behind the scenes, their best friends.
Please tell me that your not fighting with your best friend just to keep us entertained.
I like the idea of a group like CTF. Canadians need this. But it needs to be 1000% NON- PARTISAN, or it's just another government scam.
We are non-partisan
Put your heart and mind at ease. We are non-partisan and we always have been. We don't take orders from any political masters. We stand for what we stand for and we let the politicians sort themselves out as to what they will do. Communications directors cannot even hold a membership in a political party. Moreover, we do not take direct or indirect government funding. More here: http://www.taxpayer.com/about
Here's some current examples: we support the elimination of the long gun registry and of old age security and guaranteed income supplement going to incarcerated prisoners. The Conservative government agrees with us on this. On the other hand, we have hammered this government on its deficit spending and as a result Jim Flaherty was the first Finance Minister unwilling to meet with our federal director at an annual pre-budget consultation since we opened an office in Ottawa in 1999. As well, earlier this year we mobilized our supporters to write the NDP and Conservatives to get behind a Liberal motion in the house to end taxpayer-funded out-of-constituency mailings by MPs. The motion passed 140-137 with the Conservatives all voting against it.
Who's we?
Who's we, are you claiming that CTF has been the champion on these project or do you represent a part of government? Trying to put things is perspective.
SMO
"We" at the CTF
"We" represents the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Just look at success story #1 here: http://www.taxpayer.com/about/success-stories
No OAS and GIS for Convicts
Seniors in government run old age homes must use their pensions to pay for their expenses. These pensions should be taken from the convicts and used to cover their expenses. Why should law-abiding citizens be forced to use all of their pensions for their upkeep and these miserable scum of society be allowed to keep their pensions. This is totally ridiculous. Another brilliant idea from our government.
Clifford Olsen pension another Canadian joke
Only in Bleeding Heart Canada would a government provide a pension for someone who doesn't deserve to enjoy any of the rights associated with being Canadian. Bring on the U.S. style of justice.
RIGHT ON
couldn't have been said better. Ain't it the truth. Of course there is probably a hundred or more things that our tax dollars are squandered away to, but this is a biggie for sure.
RIGHT ON
Although still very important on both a financial and "societal moral" standing, this is not a big one. To put things into perspective. If a government is capable of making $250M disappear into corporate pockets and still not be held accountable even after a "government" initiated inquiry and investigation (which by the way ran into the Millions of dollars again, surprise, surprise), we have got bigger problems with "out of control" and unaccounted for government spending than the "unjustified" $7M in OAS and GIS payments going to underserving convicted felons.
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